17 May 2015
Update:
More than a decade late, and the school still has not owned up to its responsibility to provide an accountability of its charges and refunds owed to me. That in itself speaks volumes of the integrity of this organization and the cult it espouses.
7 August 2011
To any prospective fee-paying parent - you have two choices: first choice is to not even bother reading my blog entirely - simply click on the readers' comments for this blog [in which case scroll almost halfway down] to get a feel for the quality of this school and its alumni in a number of cases - the profane language describing various sexual acts in their comments all speaks for itself really. Please note: the profanity used by the CIRS alumni in some of these comment posts is definitely not suitable for reading by children/minors.
And, second choice: if you have the patience to read the entire blog: then, just a quick update - CIRS still has not found the audacity to tie up the loose ends of unfinished accounting. Please note that the original blog was written in 2006 - scroll to the bottom....date highlighted in yellow.
Update:
In addition to Anonymous' advice (Jul 13 2011), there have been numerous others who have said that "I...don't carry a 5 year old feeling and hold that grudge with you."
It all really begs 2 questions immediately:
Firstly, what makes the(se) reader(s) think that it is a "grudge"? This is completely risible. I will explain again: the bursar at CIRS refused to provide for proper accounting of expenditures and reimbursements (in accordance with his duties) to a final closure, and, instead, willfully taunted a tryst in the courts. Presumably, because I didn't acquiesce to the appropriate personal (or official?) bribe to settle the matter with the bursar, the whole issue in his mind became non sequitur ipso facto. I steadfastedly refused to pay the expected bribe: in retrospect, had I done so, then, very likely I would have had to report it on http://ipaidabribe.com/ when that website came online in 2010 or 2011- presumably, it would have been a somewhat ruinous publicity for CIRS that I presciently helped avoid?
Secondly, why is it that not one of these sagacious commentor parents, and the salacious CIRS alumni, who have clearly expressed much fondness for their present and past experiences at CIRS have asked the following with just as much rapacity: why has the CIRS administration not done anything to rectify the shambled situation left by their erstwhile bursar? And, more importantly, why has the CIRS administration not taken the intiative, brush aside its intransigent obduracy, and brought the matter to a suitable closure?
The CIRS administration has my name and information, and are well aware of the outstanding issue that needs to be brought to closure. They even passed on my personal information to the CIRS alumni who then posted profane comments to my blog which was previously posted on http://www.sasural.com/ - because of the foul language posted by the CIRS alumni on that website, the host was forced to retract the blog so that it would not reveal the debasing morals of these CIRS alumni. As you will see below in the comments to this blog, there is some gratifying sense of deja vu since it has not stopped some of them from posting again some of the same crass language, replete with expletives, as was used on sasural.com. Once again, these maleficent alumni have successfully failed the reputation of their alma mater.
So, as a prospective parent and parents of present attendees, please be warned that your personal information with CIRS may not necessarily be safely guarded. From my experience, I can confirm that it was freely shared with the alumni who then used it for nefarious purposes. Which then brings up even more questions on the moral integrity of the privacy policies enforced by the Board of Directors for CIRS.
If you have made it this far....here's the rest from previous posts...
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19 June 2011
There have been numerous euphemistic and often derisory comments on the need to "move on", some polite and others not quite so. Some alumni have even displayed their wealth of profane language that needs no interpretation even to the uninitiated [perhaps, one of the English language courses taught with certitude?].
Regardless, to those who have threatened acts of indecency, and of gratuitously nefarious sexual acts towards an under-aged minor, I stake a claim that these maleficent alumni have failed the reputation of their school, let alone miserably fail in questioning the mysterious motive of their school's failure to settle the matter once and for all - so that we all can "move on"?
Updating a blog annually with the same old news is no task to be relished: only a rolling stone gathers no moss. Surely, only the most well-intentioned CIRS alumni need now cower from the arrestingly skilled display of profanity from their compatriots? As is whispered in gentrified circles: one cannot run with the hares and hunt with the hounds at the same time.
A moment of lux et veritas, shall we say?
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16 Dec 2010
Given the level of corruption, bribery and thievery in India - which is presently in the news with respect to the raids on individuals related to the 2G spectrum inquiry (see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11997227) - there is no surprise that the lower echelons of society take a leaf from the upper echelons and conduct the same level of gross dishonorable acts.
CIRS still - to date - fails to give an accounting close-out statement. And still have not heard from the Swami at the school - almost 7 years later. I have no doubt that any attempt to take this through a legal process will be met with bribery and subservience to the judiciary in order to get anywhere. With this in view, I would invite any reader to consider carefully the ramifications before handing over large sums that purport to be "refundable deposits" or "discretionary" spends - there is no accountability to be sourced, given the level of insidious instutionalized corruption in India. Therefore no one or no insitution is held accountable to honesty - even in the name of religion.
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06 March 2010
Another year passes by - and no CIRS response. Even the headmaster has had to resign his position in 2009 and go back to Dehra Dun.
More importantly, all prospective applicants/parents should take a look at the CIRS alumni Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=2205266406 - Facebook was going to archive all groups in the old formats and so this link might turn old - but, in any case, you can search Facebook for the alumni pages) and...follow at least some of the students' individual facebook profiles and wall pages and you'll quickly asceratin the calibre (or lack of it?) of the CIRS alumni: here's an example of what you'll note from one student sampled at random -Sharmeela Sheila Jesupaul - she is to graduate from UC Santa Cruz in 2012 according to the profile as of the date of this blog - read the kind of invective language used by this illustrious alumnus. And then wonder if you'd really want your child to end up in the same heap...and...presumably, there is some plausible reason as to why this student (Sharmeela) ended up at UC Santa Cruz instead of some other well-recognized university institution after her attendance at the illustrious CIRS...??? And if you are a prospective employer - have a field day on the CIRS alumni Facebook page and get a quick read of the calibre of this school and its alumni...
Meanwhile, wishing a happy retirement to Mr Anurag...the ex-principal at CIRS as of 2009...what a great job he did of churning out the questionable generation of characters (if their Facebook pages are anything to go by) during his tenure at CIRS....
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10 June 2009
As of yet - 5 years on - still no response from CIRS.
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06 March 2006
A plea to all parents prospectively looking to send your child to the Chinmaya International Residential School (CIRS) in Coimbatore, India.
Please read this blog first before you hand over a single penny to the school.
Be warned of the practices that we encountered at this school, and the manner of extracting money. Here's a brief account of our real life experience with CIRS - a school that supposedly cares for kids, but it certainly has not been our experience.
The conclusion: after our dealing with CIRS, we can conclude that only if you absolutely hate and despise your child would you ever consider sending him/her to CIRS because it is the cruelest form of punishment you can ever think of for a child. Read on for what happened in our one-year experience with this "school" when we sent our daughter there. It is the biggest mistake we ever made for our child. When you look at the CIRS website, there is are grand visionary statements that, in the main, turn out to be questionable.
CIRS was supposedly founded on Chinmaya "vision", and put into action by the Swami Tejomayanand – who, its website proudly declares, was named "Hindu of the Year". The school was started in the mid 1990s with the aim of attracting rich Indian and NRI kids to attend the school...Our child "studied" at CIRS for one year, and here's a litany of things we experienced that unfolded after we had committed ourselves to our child's attendance at the school:
1. CIRS does not make provision for such simple things as basic hygiene: so, for example, whenever the children have to go to the toilet, they have to carry their own soap with them. There is no care for the kids' hygiene to install soap dispensers so that there is no transfer of pathogens upon visiting the toilets. Imagine the disgusting bacterial transfer whenever some child doesn't wash his/her hands properly because of the lack of soap. What if the child forgot to take his/her soap? They would have to wander back into their dorm room (with their unclean hands), find the soap in their cupboard and go back to the bathroom to wash their hands. And that is assuming that on the way back and forth, nobody else bumps into them - because as we all know kids will be kids. So, ok, they don’t have the money to put in these soap dispensers? Well, how about the disgusting waste of money that you see when the school puts on the extravagant welcome party at the beginning of the term in July. They must spend upwards of Rs. 50,000 to put this fancy party together: could they not have just forgone that expense and instead installed soap dispensers, and provide a basic necessity kids? Based on our experience, I do not believe that CIRS would even be honest enough to admit to the parents if the children were in danger of an outbreak of a serious disease.
2. The year that our child started (2004), a number of parents protested that the mattresses were stained and old - they looked disgusting (never mind the stench). Imagine the stains from the body fluids on these old mattresses, upon which they were forcing the kids to sleep: the administrators at CIRS did not even think to have them exchanged for new mattresses. Presumably, there was too much preoccupation with planning a budget for the extravagant party, so of course there was not enough money for buying clean mattresses for the kids. After protest by certain parents, and I guess some miracle, the mattresses were changed - of course, the expensive parties must go on...one cannot give up on that lifestyle, especially when it is on other people’s dime.
3. CIRS does not enforce discipline with children who do not follow the norms and mores of a civilized society: one of the dorm girls tried to strangle our child on several occasions, and the school refused to acknowledge the attempted murder or do anything about it. Our daughter complained to the principal, who, in turn, did absolutely nothing to investigate this and brushed it aside as horseplay. I wonder if any child has been severely damaged (i.e., mentally or physically) at CIRS - and I wonder if CIRS had had the honesty to admit its fault in the lack of enforced discipline? On another occasion, our daughter sustained considerable physical assault whilst in the care of the school: the administrators did not even have the courtesy to email (let alone telephone) to let us know of our daughter's injuries. The only way we found this out was during the holidays when we saw the scars on her body: that's when she told us about it. Apparently, she had been told not tell us (on the phone) about the injuries: why? What was the school thinking? They have no answers for the scars that she now has on her body and her face. Would you want your child in this kind of an environment??
4. There were multiple occasions when our child experienced bullying and harassment - and the school failed in not bringing the offending child(ren) to discipline. Instead, the principal and director of the school retorted that our daughter was simply too sensitive and needed “to get over it”. Since when is bullying considered a norm of civilized society? And what about the bullies attitudes? They kept on bullying without any punishment. The response we repeatedly heard was: we like to treat every child the same. Interestingly enough, when it comes to getting their hands on money, every child is not the same: the NRIs end up paying twice as much fees as the local Indians. So what happened to the equality principle when it came to the greed of extracting money from foreigners??
5. Another example of lack of enforced discipline: there is considerable vandalism and thievery going on at the school, but these events were brushed aside and no one in the power of authority did much about it. The lack of enforced discipline is abominable: the boys constantly broke and entered into the school lockers (where the kids keep all their valuables), they stole other kids' stationeries, and all the while the school administrators did little to stop this. Here's the reason why: despite the high school fees (Rs. 125,000 per term - and this is in 2004) the school forced every child to buy their own pencils, paper, erasers, you name it and they had to buy it. So the more stealing that goes on, the more buying is required, and...you guessed it...the parents end up having to buy all these things from the "tuck" shop set up at CIRS. So all in all someone connected to the school makes a fortune, and all long as the fortune-making goes on, who cares if items are stolen persistently on the school premises?
6. Regarding the bursar at CIRS – earlier in the year he tried to cheat us and make money on the side by indicating that CIRS was going to have to hire someone special just to renew our child's visa in New Delhi. [The visa was up for renewal, and we had been told by the consular office that the school must have the local (i.e. Coimbatore) Superintendent of the Police (the "SP") extend the validity of the stay in India]. So by pretending that a special person was going to be required to renew the visa in New Delhi, the idea was that I'd have to pay for the effort of hiring this person and getting the visa renewal done. In fact, just as noted by the Consular office, all the bursar did was to have the local "SP" in Coimbatore endorse the visa extension. Bottom line: the intent in the first place was to make money from us by pretending to have the extension done in New Delhi - which really needn't and didn't happen.
7. There is no accountability: the bursar doesn’t automatically provide you with accounts of how your money is being spent. You have to ask for the accounts – only then do you receive an explanation. They were charging us unnecessarily for health insurance; charging for various items including erasers, pencils and other school materials. At the end of the academic year, they then refused to refund any of that money that was inappropriately spent. Forget the refund, they didn’t even provide receipts for the school fees unless you asked for them. It makes one wonder if all that is being sought is a free hand in spending other people’s money without the accountability? Indeed, one specific example of the lack of accountability is that in which we requested a meeting with the director-in-charge at CIRS to discuss various issues about the bullying, thievery and other educational issues. Not only did she not honor the request, but she failed to acknowledge the request or even let us know whether she would be willing schedule at another time. The silent attitude was almost as though she didn’t feel the need to be responsive. As soon as you have handed over the school fees, you instantly become a persona non grata. A year after we withdrew our child, we have yet to receive an accountability document or refund from the bursar.
8. CIRS asks for a “refundable caution deposit” of Rs.125,000 per child. This supposed deposit was arbitrarily retained by the school earlier this year when we refused to have our daughter stay for the next academic year. [After all the above stuff, would you want your child to go through this year-in year-out?] They were supposed to refund the Rs. 125,000 deposit, and, instead, that money was withheld with the endorsement of the Board of Directors of the school. They have flatly refused to return any of it - presumably it has all been spent of extravagance and to line someone's pockets? Does it make you wonder if there was any intention at all to return this “refundable deposit” in the first place? In which case why call it a “refundable” deposit? In fact, the bursar was positively gloating and oozing greed when he told us to go fight it out in the courts if we had the audacity to want the money back.
So basically, this amounts to the philosophy of the Chinmaya Mission when it instituted CIRS in 1996. It is effectively the back door way of embezzling money from NRIs and other rich folks for the grander vision of the Chinmaya Mission. Create a school, pretend to care for the kids, and embezzle money…Interestingly enough, this swami Tejomayanand who leads the flock for the Chinmaya Mission is also the Chairman for the CIRS school board. And no one seems to see the conflict of intererst or connection to a modus operandi for increasing the cash flow?
Whatever the ultimate goal, one thing is for sure: every penny of the money that CIRS has absorbed without proper due course is destined for pure unadulterated evil and calamity to befall upon CIRS and the Chinmaya Mission. Our overall summation of the experience, and we surmise that CIRS was set up to raise money for the Chinmaya Mission in the disguise of educating children - nothing beats putting a fox to guard the henhouse. In fact, our experience has been that they are not educating those kids out of altruism: they are demoralizing them, and allowing physical and mental abuse to go unchecked. It is the only way Chinmaya Mission can appropriate large sums of money from NRIs and other rich Indians to further the cause of the Chinmaya Mission.
I wrote to the Swami about our experience, and there has been no response. That's how little he cares about the kids in preference to appropriating as much money as possible.
If you are still thinking of sending your child, I would warn you to not part with your money until you have spoken with other parents who have had bad experiences...CIRS will very likely only steer you to those parents to afraid to speak out and truthfully disclose the shenanigans.
We never expected the turn of events as they happened and nobody forewarned us - but if you have read the above, and, you get ripped off by CIRS, then you cannot say that you were not informed.
Caveat emptor.
Update:
More than a decade late, and the school still has not owned up to its responsibility to provide an accountability of its charges and refunds owed to me. That in itself speaks volumes of the integrity of this organization and the cult it espouses.
7 August 2011
To any prospective fee-paying parent - you have two choices: first choice is to not even bother reading my blog entirely - simply click on the readers' comments for this blog [in which case scroll almost halfway down] to get a feel for the quality of this school and its alumni in a number of cases - the profane language describing various sexual acts in their comments all speaks for itself really. Please note: the profanity used by the CIRS alumni in some of these comment posts is definitely not suitable for reading by children/minors.
And, second choice: if you have the patience to read the entire blog: then, just a quick update - CIRS still has not found the audacity to tie up the loose ends of unfinished accounting. Please note that the original blog was written in 2006 - scroll to the bottom....date highlighted in yellow.
Update:
In addition to Anonymous' advice (Jul 13 2011), there have been numerous others who have said that "I...don't carry a 5 year old feeling and hold that grudge with you."
It all really begs 2 questions immediately:
Firstly, what makes the(se) reader(s) think that it is a "grudge"? This is completely risible. I will explain again: the bursar at CIRS refused to provide for proper accounting of expenditures and reimbursements (in accordance with his duties) to a final closure, and, instead, willfully taunted a tryst in the courts. Presumably, because I didn't acquiesce to the appropriate personal (or official?) bribe to settle the matter with the bursar, the whole issue in his mind became non sequitur ipso facto. I steadfastedly refused to pay the expected bribe: in retrospect, had I done so, then, very likely I would have had to report it on http://ipaidabribe.com/ when that website came online in 2010 or 2011- presumably, it would have been a somewhat ruinous publicity for CIRS that I presciently helped avoid?
Secondly, why is it that not one of these sagacious commentor parents, and the salacious CIRS alumni, who have clearly expressed much fondness for their present and past experiences at CIRS have asked the following with just as much rapacity: why has the CIRS administration not done anything to rectify the shambled situation left by their erstwhile bursar? And, more importantly, why has the CIRS administration not taken the intiative, brush aside its intransigent obduracy, and brought the matter to a suitable closure?
The CIRS administration has my name and information, and are well aware of the outstanding issue that needs to be brought to closure. They even passed on my personal information to the CIRS alumni who then posted profane comments to my blog which was previously posted on http://www.sasural.com/ - because of the foul language posted by the CIRS alumni on that website, the host was forced to retract the blog so that it would not reveal the debasing morals of these CIRS alumni. As you will see below in the comments to this blog, there is some gratifying sense of deja vu since it has not stopped some of them from posting again some of the same crass language, replete with expletives, as was used on sasural.com. Once again, these maleficent alumni have successfully failed the reputation of their alma mater.
So, as a prospective parent and parents of present attendees, please be warned that your personal information with CIRS may not necessarily be safely guarded. From my experience, I can confirm that it was freely shared with the alumni who then used it for nefarious purposes. Which then brings up even more questions on the moral integrity of the privacy policies enforced by the Board of Directors for CIRS.
If you have made it this far....here's the rest from previous posts...
==================================================================
19 June 2011
There have been numerous euphemistic and often derisory comments on the need to "move on", some polite and others not quite so. Some alumni have even displayed their wealth of profane language that needs no interpretation even to the uninitiated [perhaps, one of the English language courses taught with certitude?].
Regardless, to those who have threatened acts of indecency, and of gratuitously nefarious sexual acts towards an under-aged minor, I stake a claim that these maleficent alumni have failed the reputation of their school, let alone miserably fail in questioning the mysterious motive of their school's failure to settle the matter once and for all - so that we all can "move on"?
Updating a blog annually with the same old news is no task to be relished: only a rolling stone gathers no moss. Surely, only the most well-intentioned CIRS alumni need now cower from the arrestingly skilled display of profanity from their compatriots? As is whispered in gentrified circles: one cannot run with the hares and hunt with the hounds at the same time.
A moment of lux et veritas, shall we say?
==================================================================================
16 Dec 2010
Given the level of corruption, bribery and thievery in India - which is presently in the news with respect to the raids on individuals related to the 2G spectrum inquiry (see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11997227) - there is no surprise that the lower echelons of society take a leaf from the upper echelons and conduct the same level of gross dishonorable acts.
CIRS still - to date - fails to give an accounting close-out statement. And still have not heard from the Swami at the school - almost 7 years later. I have no doubt that any attempt to take this through a legal process will be met with bribery and subservience to the judiciary in order to get anywhere. With this in view, I would invite any reader to consider carefully the ramifications before handing over large sums that purport to be "refundable deposits" or "discretionary" spends - there is no accountability to be sourced, given the level of insidious instutionalized corruption in India. Therefore no one or no insitution is held accountable to honesty - even in the name of religion.
==================================================================================
06 March 2010
Another year passes by - and no CIRS response. Even the headmaster has had to resign his position in 2009 and go back to Dehra Dun.
More importantly, all prospective applicants/parents should take a look at the CIRS alumni Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=2205266406 - Facebook was going to archive all groups in the old formats and so this link might turn old - but, in any case, you can search Facebook for the alumni pages) and...follow at least some of the students' individual facebook profiles and wall pages and you'll quickly asceratin the calibre (or lack of it?) of the CIRS alumni: here's an example of what you'll note from one student sampled at random -Sharmeela Sheila Jesupaul - she is to graduate from UC Santa Cruz in 2012 according to the profile as of the date of this blog - read the kind of invective language used by this illustrious alumnus. And then wonder if you'd really want your child to end up in the same heap...and...presumably, there is some plausible reason as to why this student (Sharmeela) ended up at UC Santa Cruz instead of some other well-recognized university institution after her attendance at the illustrious CIRS...??? And if you are a prospective employer - have a field day on the CIRS alumni Facebook page and get a quick read of the calibre of this school and its alumni...
Meanwhile, wishing a happy retirement to Mr Anurag...the ex-principal at CIRS as of 2009...what a great job he did of churning out the questionable generation of characters (if their Facebook pages are anything to go by) during his tenure at CIRS....
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10 June 2009
As of yet - 5 years on - still no response from CIRS.
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06 March 2006
A plea to all parents prospectively looking to send your child to the Chinmaya International Residential School (CIRS) in Coimbatore, India.
Please read this blog first before you hand over a single penny to the school.
Be warned of the practices that we encountered at this school, and the manner of extracting money. Here's a brief account of our real life experience with CIRS - a school that supposedly cares for kids, but it certainly has not been our experience.
The conclusion: after our dealing with CIRS, we can conclude that only if you absolutely hate and despise your child would you ever consider sending him/her to CIRS because it is the cruelest form of punishment you can ever think of for a child. Read on for what happened in our one-year experience with this "school" when we sent our daughter there. It is the biggest mistake we ever made for our child. When you look at the CIRS website, there is are grand visionary statements that, in the main, turn out to be questionable.
CIRS was supposedly founded on Chinmaya "vision", and put into action by the Swami Tejomayanand – who, its website proudly declares, was named "Hindu of the Year". The school was started in the mid 1990s with the aim of attracting rich Indian and NRI kids to attend the school...Our child "studied" at CIRS for one year, and here's a litany of things we experienced that unfolded after we had committed ourselves to our child's attendance at the school:
1. CIRS does not make provision for such simple things as basic hygiene: so, for example, whenever the children have to go to the toilet, they have to carry their own soap with them. There is no care for the kids' hygiene to install soap dispensers so that there is no transfer of pathogens upon visiting the toilets. Imagine the disgusting bacterial transfer whenever some child doesn't wash his/her hands properly because of the lack of soap. What if the child forgot to take his/her soap? They would have to wander back into their dorm room (with their unclean hands), find the soap in their cupboard and go back to the bathroom to wash their hands. And that is assuming that on the way back and forth, nobody else bumps into them - because as we all know kids will be kids. So, ok, they don’t have the money to put in these soap dispensers? Well, how about the disgusting waste of money that you see when the school puts on the extravagant welcome party at the beginning of the term in July. They must spend upwards of Rs. 50,000 to put this fancy party together: could they not have just forgone that expense and instead installed soap dispensers, and provide a basic necessity kids? Based on our experience, I do not believe that CIRS would even be honest enough to admit to the parents if the children were in danger of an outbreak of a serious disease.
2. The year that our child started (2004), a number of parents protested that the mattresses were stained and old - they looked disgusting (never mind the stench). Imagine the stains from the body fluids on these old mattresses, upon which they were forcing the kids to sleep: the administrators at CIRS did not even think to have them exchanged for new mattresses. Presumably, there was too much preoccupation with planning a budget for the extravagant party, so of course there was not enough money for buying clean mattresses for the kids. After protest by certain parents, and I guess some miracle, the mattresses were changed - of course, the expensive parties must go on...one cannot give up on that lifestyle, especially when it is on other people’s dime.
3. CIRS does not enforce discipline with children who do not follow the norms and mores of a civilized society: one of the dorm girls tried to strangle our child on several occasions, and the school refused to acknowledge the attempted murder or do anything about it. Our daughter complained to the principal, who, in turn, did absolutely nothing to investigate this and brushed it aside as horseplay. I wonder if any child has been severely damaged (i.e., mentally or physically) at CIRS - and I wonder if CIRS had had the honesty to admit its fault in the lack of enforced discipline? On another occasion, our daughter sustained considerable physical assault whilst in the care of the school: the administrators did not even have the courtesy to email (let alone telephone) to let us know of our daughter's injuries. The only way we found this out was during the holidays when we saw the scars on her body: that's when she told us about it. Apparently, she had been told not tell us (on the phone) about the injuries: why? What was the school thinking? They have no answers for the scars that she now has on her body and her face. Would you want your child in this kind of an environment??
4. There were multiple occasions when our child experienced bullying and harassment - and the school failed in not bringing the offending child(ren) to discipline. Instead, the principal and director of the school retorted that our daughter was simply too sensitive and needed “to get over it”. Since when is bullying considered a norm of civilized society? And what about the bullies attitudes? They kept on bullying without any punishment. The response we repeatedly heard was: we like to treat every child the same. Interestingly enough, when it comes to getting their hands on money, every child is not the same: the NRIs end up paying twice as much fees as the local Indians. So what happened to the equality principle when it came to the greed of extracting money from foreigners??
5. Another example of lack of enforced discipline: there is considerable vandalism and thievery going on at the school, but these events were brushed aside and no one in the power of authority did much about it. The lack of enforced discipline is abominable: the boys constantly broke and entered into the school lockers (where the kids keep all their valuables), they stole other kids' stationeries, and all the while the school administrators did little to stop this. Here's the reason why: despite the high school fees (Rs. 125,000 per term - and this is in 2004) the school forced every child to buy their own pencils, paper, erasers, you name it and they had to buy it. So the more stealing that goes on, the more buying is required, and...you guessed it...the parents end up having to buy all these things from the "tuck" shop set up at CIRS. So all in all someone connected to the school makes a fortune, and all long as the fortune-making goes on, who cares if items are stolen persistently on the school premises?
6. Regarding the bursar at CIRS – earlier in the year he tried to cheat us and make money on the side by indicating that CIRS was going to have to hire someone special just to renew our child's visa in New Delhi. [The visa was up for renewal, and we had been told by the consular office that the school must have the local (i.e. Coimbatore) Superintendent of the Police (the "SP") extend the validity of the stay in India]. So by pretending that a special person was going to be required to renew the visa in New Delhi, the idea was that I'd have to pay for the effort of hiring this person and getting the visa renewal done. In fact, just as noted by the Consular office, all the bursar did was to have the local "SP" in Coimbatore endorse the visa extension. Bottom line: the intent in the first place was to make money from us by pretending to have the extension done in New Delhi - which really needn't and didn't happen.
7. There is no accountability: the bursar doesn’t automatically provide you with accounts of how your money is being spent. You have to ask for the accounts – only then do you receive an explanation. They were charging us unnecessarily for health insurance; charging for various items including erasers, pencils and other school materials. At the end of the academic year, they then refused to refund any of that money that was inappropriately spent. Forget the refund, they didn’t even provide receipts for the school fees unless you asked for them. It makes one wonder if all that is being sought is a free hand in spending other people’s money without the accountability? Indeed, one specific example of the lack of accountability is that in which we requested a meeting with the director-in-charge at CIRS to discuss various issues about the bullying, thievery and other educational issues. Not only did she not honor the request, but she failed to acknowledge the request or even let us know whether she would be willing schedule at another time. The silent attitude was almost as though she didn’t feel the need to be responsive. As soon as you have handed over the school fees, you instantly become a persona non grata. A year after we withdrew our child, we have yet to receive an accountability document or refund from the bursar.
8. CIRS asks for a “refundable caution deposit” of Rs.125,000 per child. This supposed deposit was arbitrarily retained by the school earlier this year when we refused to have our daughter stay for the next academic year. [After all the above stuff, would you want your child to go through this year-in year-out?] They were supposed to refund the Rs. 125,000 deposit, and, instead, that money was withheld with the endorsement of the Board of Directors of the school. They have flatly refused to return any of it - presumably it has all been spent of extravagance and to line someone's pockets? Does it make you wonder if there was any intention at all to return this “refundable deposit” in the first place? In which case why call it a “refundable” deposit? In fact, the bursar was positively gloating and oozing greed when he told us to go fight it out in the courts if we had the audacity to want the money back.
So basically, this amounts to the philosophy of the Chinmaya Mission when it instituted CIRS in 1996. It is effectively the back door way of embezzling money from NRIs and other rich folks for the grander vision of the Chinmaya Mission. Create a school, pretend to care for the kids, and embezzle money…Interestingly enough, this swami Tejomayanand who leads the flock for the Chinmaya Mission is also the Chairman for the CIRS school board. And no one seems to see the conflict of intererst or connection to a modus operandi for increasing the cash flow?
Whatever the ultimate goal, one thing is for sure: every penny of the money that CIRS has absorbed without proper due course is destined for pure unadulterated evil and calamity to befall upon CIRS and the Chinmaya Mission. Our overall summation of the experience, and we surmise that CIRS was set up to raise money for the Chinmaya Mission in the disguise of educating children - nothing beats putting a fox to guard the henhouse. In fact, our experience has been that they are not educating those kids out of altruism: they are demoralizing them, and allowing physical and mental abuse to go unchecked. It is the only way Chinmaya Mission can appropriate large sums of money from NRIs and other rich Indians to further the cause of the Chinmaya Mission.
I wrote to the Swami about our experience, and there has been no response. That's how little he cares about the kids in preference to appropriating as much money as possible.
If you are still thinking of sending your child, I would warn you to not part with your money until you have spoken with other parents who have had bad experiences...CIRS will very likely only steer you to those parents to afraid to speak out and truthfully disclose the shenanigans.
We never expected the turn of events as they happened and nobody forewarned us - but if you have read the above, and, you get ripped off by CIRS, then you cannot say that you were not informed.
Caveat emptor.
46 comments:
dear sir/madam,
Let me introduce myself first. I am an ardent Chinmaya Mission member and Was also associated with CIRS for a year or so.
You will be wondering now what I have to say for all the pains that you have experienced at CIRS.
I am sorry to disappoint you for they are beyond my influence.
I can clearly understand that you have been undergoing a lot of bad experiences at the school. But mam please do not be hasty in commenting on the very INTENTION of starting the school.
The INTENTION, the purpose, the vision of the school sprung from a great rishi. It CANNOT be wrong.
I have been associated with the CM for the past 10 years and I know for sure that money is not that inspires these folks.
The institution is built by people. People change. Hence blame the people and not the institution.
I pray - May you find some answers for your biter experiences. And may truth win.
I appreciate your intention in making people aware of your experiences.
TOTALLY TRUE... i don't know how i lived there for like more than 4 years
'____'
Dear CM devotee,
Thank you for your observation. I agree with you that it is the intent of the founder that counts, and I respect that.
What I dont have respect for is the dishonest intent of the individuals that manage the founding principle. That is my sole aggrievance.
Had the school bursar (who is now no longer at CIRS) not been arrogant enough to throw taunts at me that not even the courts can touch CIRS (as he put it: 'go ahead - take us to court - let's see how far you go"), I would not have bothered with this blog. Regardless, even after 4 years, nobody from CIRS has had the temerity to properly close the issue with me - because they know they were in the wrong on a moral principle, and are probalby loathed to admit that what happened was not right. It perhaps explains very well why the Bursar is no longer there, but does not explain on what principle does CM operate.
More importantly, I have infomration just this past Jan
2008, that there has been much turmoil at CIRS over the last coule of years - particularly with a high turnover of teachers and the school not being able to hang on to the teachers. I had specifically warned the Bursar back in 2005 that, for every penny that CIRS has wrongfully withheld not just from me but others too (and I know there are others because I received several emails back in 2005/2006 from others with similar experiences), it will have to pay back for it in nothing but upheaval and turmoil for perpetuity until this unjust travesty is rectified. Perhaps - they didn't believe my curse, and still don't believe it.
-Veratum
Dear Anonymous CIRS attendee,
I empathize with you having spent your valuable 4 years of youth at CIRS and feeling the way you do. I cannot even imagine how that time must elapsed for you.
I can say that, way back a couple of years ago, there were a number of alumni who had responded to my blog: there were many alumni who agreed with my observations much in the same way you have, and there were many who were ferociously opposed and they certainly voiced it with some strong colourfully foul language - which would make anyone wonder what kind of Indian culture they were getting at CIRS. Whichever, the case, I am unable to discern where the truth of the experience of studying and living at CIRS lies, except for that based on mine - as a parent.
I sincerely hope that you have recovered from your experience at CIRS and that you are now on your way to your desired aims in life - my best wishes to you.
-Veratum
I am Shyama living in Dubai,U.A.E.and was planning to put my child in the Chinmaya International Residential School as per the advice of some known person. Thank you for your informative blog and I have decided not to enroll my daughter.It is so revealing....Could you please advise a good school in Coimbatore, Palghat, Trichur or Cochin for a Viii standard student for 2009 school year......
Dear Shyama,
I am very sorry that I cannot help you with your requests for recommendations because I do not live in India. As is your case, I too was given a recommendation by someone about CIRS, and that is how we ended sending our child there. After removing her from CIRS, we were too put off to contemplate having her attend somewhere else in India - so we did not research any further for other schools.
If you want to consider a boarding in the UK: Christ's Hospital in Horsham, Surrey. It is a co-ed Christian denominational school, and they do provide scholarships based on academic performance as well as parental income. Excellent educational value.
I sincerely wish you the best in finding a good school to send your daughter -
Dear Veratum
We,as parents considering to enroll our son in CIRS were greatly distressed to read about your experience with the School. We would be obliged if there remains any more info on this matter not stated in your blog.
SN
Dear SN,
I dont really know how to answer your question: CIRS never even bothered to give us an end-of-the-year accounting of the "discretionary account" spending for the one year of tuition there let alone the academic year's final accounting - that in itself gives you some measure of their integrity to be communicative. Given the mockery with which the bursar dared me to even try and take them to court, one could surmise that even legal action against them would be tantamount to hopeless waiting for years if one is dealing with partial judiciaries -
There are a lot other issues in the cellars of the mind which were frustrating at the time back in 2004-2005 - I am sure if I looked back in our daughter's personal diary they will transpire immediately - and I am the sure, obviously, with passage of time,the hope at CIRS is that I will have forgotten it all. However, I do remember conveying to the gloating bursar (who, incidentally, is no longer at the school) at the time that for every penny that CIRS has misappropriated from me, it would bring about 10-fold negative impact to the school. Of course, he scornfully laughed at this notion: but, as I understand it, they have had considerable teacher retention issues - so...if it is that good, then why the high turnover of teachers...of course, if I had been smart in the first place, I would have started with that question to CIRS first: whether I would have received an honest answer is another matter...
sir..i have been a part of chinmaya school in chennai, a day school and feel proud to say that. however the state of all cm institutes today is highly influenced by the ongoing world around and hence the deviation from their VISION. its very disturbing and deeply sadening to read about the current scenario...i completely agree with your view and share your feelings.i wish swamiji reads the blog ATLEAST to make an effort in reviving the school's essence.
I as a parent can comment that my Daughter has been studying in the school for last 5 years now and she is very happy there. Not just she, but most other kids that I meet there are very happy.
The areas of concerns might have been the concern for you (sir or maam) but have not affected the development of kids.
School has seen a lot of improvement year over year. The hygiene factors have improved greatly. Girls' dorm is renovated and my kid loves it with all modern facilities.
The discipline too has become very good now with offending kids being guided and mentored.
I don't under-estimate your sorrow / pain and experience 5 years ago. However, I suggest that you don't carry a 5 year old feeling and hold that grudge with you.
As you mentioned, the old Bursar is gone and thus he must have paid the price of his dis-honesty. Like others too have commented, the experience should not be against the institute but against the people who were managing it at that time.
Wishing for your happiness and your daughter's success.
A satisfied parent !!
Hi, I am glad I read your blog. I am a single mother and work hard for my money. I was planning to put my daughter in Chinmaya as she is spirutally inclined. At present she goes to Abhyasa School in Hyderabad which is a very good school with gurukul culture and good management. I am glad I did not move her from the heaven she is in right now to the hell you describe.
Hi Anon. (from Oct 9, 2009 comment):
I hope your daughter is enjoying the school in Hyderabad.
You should note that our experience pertains to 2004-2005 - it was one year of hell indeed as you put it. Something to bear in mind though is that the school itself might have improved physically in the intervening period. On the other hand, the way it is managed has certainly does not appear to have changed much. We still have not heard from anyone in the administration at CIRS to address the issues that should have been addressed years ago if they had any decency and business acumen. That lack of inertia to be forthright in their dealings speaks volumes for the manner in which the CIRS administration functions...
Fortuitously, or by Providence, you may have made the right choice indeed for your daughter.
Best...
screw you!
the school is damn good.
Thanks for the comment.
My parents were planning to send me to Cirs.
Now I'll Tell them about this.
hi,i would like to say that i was deeply influenced by the information and the various facilities provided at CIRS after visiting the website.Despite the fact that the fee structure is quite high i was keen on sending my daughter to CIRS. But sir/mam after reading your blog i am deeply confused whether to send my daughter to CIRS or not.I also read the comment posted by a satisfied parent.It would be very kind if you could describe to me the present situation at CIRS and also suggest some good international schools.It is a matter regarding the future of a student please do not ignore this.
best wishes..
To Anonymous from Dec 16 2010:
I dont know what the situation is likely to be at CIRS at present. You may want to visit CIRS directly, of course, at the risk of being shown only the positive side of the school (after all, does anybody show their bad side at the first meeting with a stranger?). However, reading through some of the bad language of previous students (see comment posted by someone on Oct 11, 2010) would have to lead you to that old adage: A LEOPARD NEVER CHANGES ITS SPOTS. What I should have done is to publish all the other vile and despicably rude comments
from ex-students/students as well to give any reader a better perspective of the arguable caliber of students that are graduating or have graduated from CIRS.
You should weigh all the positive and negative, and satisfied and dissatisfied comments and decide on the character of the school for yourself. I simply stated my experience, and others comment on it as they see fit from their experience with CIRS.
Websites always present a rosy picture: its what a website is meant to do. You could count on one hand the number of websites that present a negative picture of their own business.
Best of luck with your informed decision for the future of your student -
Veratum
Hi all,
I have my family children studying in chinmaya school, and the parents and the students are really vey happy, I also visited the school last month and found it excellent combination of modernism and religion,thank you swamiji for such a novel concept of a school,
Veratum --- you are CRAP!
You immature freak!
Dare you say a word against CIRS?
I'm sure you are doing this with a cheap motive - did you get thrown out or something?
Look, a school alone doesn't affect a child's behaviour and language.
That facebook kid has left school ---
I am 100% sure she didn't do it when she was a student.
You Moron, what proof do you have to make unreasonable and UNTRUE statements like these? --- Every Day the counter pins and mattresses are dusted and replaced every week.
If you want to be a miser --- don't put your kids in there.
Stop this negative publicity.
If this blog isn't removed within a period of 30 days, you'll be in a soup -- reported and in trouble.
Go earn a living. Stop demotivating and mobilising parents against THIS EXPENSIVE YET WORTH IT ALL SCHOOL.
Get lost. Quick. Before this issue gets serious.
Dear veratum
I have been associated with this school for the past seven years. And from what I read you about your outburst and long post, I can only feel sorry for you that you are sadly mistaken and that you go on living with this false bitter feeling for so many years.
Writing about your actual problem with CIRS is one thing, however writing all kinds of false story about the school, only shows your immaturity. Having been associated with this school, I don’t see any iota of truth in your statement. It is so wrong on your part to misguide others in this manner. I have personally checked and found that everything being said by you is absolutely wrong.
CIRS being a non-profit organisation has no interest in keeping someone money. Earning profit is not the intension of the school. This school has a greater vision and a mission to accomplish.
CIRS still lives and parents admit their children here and will continue to do so for years to come. I would request the prospective parents to come visit the school and see it for yourself. The CIRS gates are always open for all. One man’s false allegations cannot change the perspectives of intelligent adults or children.
I can only say that I feel utmost pity on you and really feel sad for you seeing you hurting yourself for the last six years.
MOVE HIGHER AND AHEAD IN LIFE. I CAN ONLY PRAY FOR YOU...
poor veratum,
i really feel sad for u that u r stuck to criticizing this school for years now. i think you dont have anything productive to do. i seriously feel that u have become a loon and do not act rational.
please i m studying presently in this school and i know what it stands for.
no institution is perfect but i feel our school CIRS is better than any other school in this world.
please ask me if u want to know the present status of my school.my school is perfectly fine and in a happy mood as always but ur life appears to be sad.
i would really suggest u to come and attend the spiritual classes in this school( i would request the school authorities for u) and surely it will help u to get out of this terrible syndrome.
from a caring chinmaya kid
Chinmaya International Residential School is run by Religious Mafia.
CIRS exploits the teacher and Swami and swamini in the campus exploits the children. This should be checked by CBI or Police.
I worked at CIRS. They have not cleared my dues, kept 1 month salary. Teacher in the school are kept like a prisioner and dirty swami & swaminis they enjoy and expect teachers to touch their feet.
I wrote to Tejomayanada, but no use. Another dirt is Vimlananda
CIRS does suck.... but dude you and ur daughter need to grow up..... i guess she would have bullied someon whilst she was in that hellhole.
But anyways the food sucks..... the current principal cant even pronounce a word and the dear old god man lives off our money in a lavish paltial bunglow so ya CIRS is dirty but the people is something you cant complain about.... they are the best... and trust me ive been through it
I respect your personal views, but before you put up nonsense about our school please do check with others, i am an ex student and i come from a family of ex students..NEVER i must say NEVER have we come across with such nonsense that you state...and before you defame a school..let me tell you, without proof..i can as an ex student file a case of defamation for your comments about my school
thank you
I hate CIRS.The food sucks there and the teachers are very bad. The current principal is very bad.There are a lot of bad students there.You can see by the bad comments themselves.It sucks to the core and is a jail
All of you people need to understand that none of you can do anything to the person who posted this blog especially since it is every individuals right to use freedom of speech to their advantage. It's funny how all those who tell the poster to "Get lost quick" or use curse word at him / her have absolutely no power over this person. It is known by all that the administration is as trashy as the pond within the school. It's a pity that children have to suffer such nonsense. However, it can be noted that children without a stable friend base outside of the school have found the school to be somewhat of an enjoyment. Personally, as much as I hate CIRS, I'm glad that I have become a stronger person with the threats and negative comments I've received by my teachers, Shanti Krishnamurthy, Rishi Chaithanya, and my classmates. So basically, if you read this post, know that there are other options for your children and that even if you choose this school, your child may learn to get stronger and handle life better. So is it a good investment? Not really, but it can make one strong.
@ Anonymous June 25.
Dare you name the teachers, sala? They were my good friends. They helped me through the tests. You got a free education or something? The school is worth it- even if you have negative feelings. I am one of those who liked the school even if I did not have friends outside it - but think about all the good times, or did you not have any? GIve me one good reason why we should not tell this person what we think of his blog??
I as a parent can comment that my Daughter has been studying in the school for last 5 years now and she is very happy there. Not just she, but most other kids that I meet there are very happy.
The areas of concerns might have been the concern for you (sir or maam) but have not affected the development of kids.
School has seen a lot of improvement year over year. The hygiene factors have improved greatly. Girls' dorm is renovated and my kid loves it with all modern facilities.
The discipline too has become very good now with offending kids being guided and mentored.
I don't under-estimate your sorrow / pain and experience 5 years ago. However, I suggest that you don't carry a 5 year old feeling and hold that grudge with you.
As you mentioned, the old Bursar is gone and thus he must have paid the price of his dis-honesty. Like others too have commented, the experience should not be against the institute but against the people who were managing it at that time.
Wishing for your happiness and your daughter's success.
A satisfied parent !!
"when you insult this school , you not only insult the ccmt, above all swami chinmayananda, and me, but you lay down the credibility of my education. i have a serious problem with that."
sir..i have been a part of chinmaya school in chennai, a day school and feel proud to say that. however the state of all cm institutes today is highly influenced by the ongoing world around and hence the deviation from their VISION. its very disturbing and deeply sadening to read about the current scenario...i completely agree with your view and share your feelings.i wish swamiji reads the blog ATLEAST to make an effort in reviving the school's essence.
Mr Patel, by citing Sharmeela as a bad example, i guess its okay for you to ASSUME that the rest of the kids ended up going to bad schools.. There are alummni from MIT, NYU Stern, Purdue, Columbia, USC, Boston to name a few. Your welcome to "re-read" our facebook page like you did earlier.
I recommend you present both sides of the facts. Your blog is plagued with errors and your negativism towards an Institution.
Its quite intriguing that someone like you (your wiki profile) has failed to portray both sides of the coin. It takes two hands to clap! Unless of course, your Mother Teresa.
What's shocking is the manner in which you've written about India. Please remember your not and you'll never be White Blood - instead of being concerned about rampant corruption and trying to make a difference, your connecting it with an educational institution.
And any concerned parent must note, that a child spends at most 7 years in CIRS - the rest are with family. Is the blogger correct in holding CIRS SOLELY responsible for institutional moral values?? What happens to American kids when they enter university in Freshmen year is well portrayed through various media. But, hey, let's hold CIRS responsible!!
The Generatisaton that one or two angry young teenagers responding inappropriately to your blog is a reflection of the rest of the Alumni is a "flawed" theory.
To prove this, i'd be happy to actually get you in touch with alumni who represent the highest ethical standards & moral values of society & have accomplished way more than THE BLOGGER would have expected. Not just here in India, but in your backyard in California.
May God Bless Your Divine Soul.
Amen.
@ Anonymous on 7 Aug 2011:
- what in the world does any of this have to do with "Amen"?? The Chinmaya Mission now espouses Christian evangelical theology?
- with reference to your comments:
a)"Mr Patel, by citing Sharmeela..." - it was facile for you to cite names as you saw fit but you signed off your comment as "anonymous". Cowardice?
b)"What's shocking is the manner in which you've you've written about India." - the blog is not about India. So please feel free to be shocked as much as you can.
c)"Please remember your not and you'll never be White Blood -..." - there are no claims of being of or wanting to be of "White blood". Even a white man's blood is as red as any black, brown or yellow man's blood.
d)"...instead of being concerned about rampant corruption and trying to make a difference, your connecting it with an educational institution." - read the blog update on 7 Aug 2011. I am against rampant corruption: hence my refusal to bribe YOUR erstwhile bursar.
e)"...a "flawed" theory" - I don't have a theory, yet: as with any good science, I am still collecting the observational data. Watch this space for the theory - unless the CIRS administration decides that it needs to pre-emptively bring the matter to a closure.
f)"...i'd be happy to actually get you in touch with alumni who represent the highest ethical standards & moral values of society..." - go ahead...I dare you to take up your own challenge and bring these alumni out into the open and in touch with not just me but all the other prospective parents & blog readers - let us all read about it. Presumably...these showcase alumni representing "the highest ethical standards & moral values of society" will communicate openly and not...anonymously...like you did? Presumably, we will also get some clarification as to which society's moral values and standards they represent?
g) "What happens to American kids when they enter university in Freshmen year is well portrayed through various media." - if you believe everything you see in the media, then I am sure you have faith in the SETI project. Even Stephen Hawking has given up on it after 30 years. More to the point: if you believe the portrayal of American freshman kids is so shocking, then it does not explain why your institution is so proud to acknowledge that...and I quote you here: "There are alummni from MIT, NYU Stern, Purdue, Columbia, USC, Boston to name a few..." So, on the one hand you have the audacity to implicitly criticize the American society's morals and values and on the other hand you are proud to send and risk your kids to the vices of institutions that are ALL AMERICAN!!! This is hypocrisy at its zenith. Why are you not discouraging you CIRS students from shunning these American institutions then if it is so evident "What happens to American kids when they enter university in Freshmen year well portrayed through various media" ?? Please answer that hypocrisy will you? And dont bother wasting my time telling me that you specifically make reference to only "American" kids...it still does not absolve you from explaining why you would risk your CIRS kids being associated with these "American" freshman kids. Should your CIRS kids not be educated in India instead so that they can continue to uphold and "represent the highest ethical standards..." etc.? Give me a break. I suggest that you read AGAIN the vile language and comments from a selection of your maleficent CIRS alumni - you cannot simply discard them as two standard deviations from the mean - in fact, they are simultaneously defending your cause and shamelessly disgracing your CIRS institution and the Chinmaya Mission itself. What say you to that?
Dear Veratum and others,
All educational institutions have their pros and cons. In my experience, I would say there are a very few schools better than Cirs, but again, there are not many worse. All Institutions try their very best to provide quality education and a better childhood. None of them are entirely successful in doing so. Therefore I suggest you spend your valuable time doing something more fulfilling, as undoubtedly there are limitless and far more serious issues that concern our lives and the world at large. We are all striving for a better life, you should do the same, and move on. A bad experience is a lesson and a good one is a cherish-able memory. Also, this issue has blown out of proportion and its a pity to see so many fighting, arguing and cursing each other over the past.
-Aravindan, Cirs XII batch of 2008.
@aravindan,
I choose to spend my time the way
I want to - in my time - with what I find fulfilling. Who are you to decide what I should or should not spend my time on?
The blog does not dictate anyone else how or on what to spend their time. So, your point is completely a moot one on that score. I didnt ask you to spend your VALUABLE time reading the blog or commenting on it, did I? But, you did, and you wasted your time - so you could have stopped and moved on, surely?
Perhaps it may be better to ask your compatriots about their own morals first before passing moralising judgement - and this too before you've even earned your own penny.
I calculate that you have miles and miles to go before you are able to advise me on what I should do with my valuable time. Your juvenile arrogance does not befit your obvious inexperience. Simply breaking beyond the teenage age
does not give you the wisdom to be arrogant. I suggest that you might want to stick to focusing on your educational studies - that would be good use of YOUR VALUABLE time.
And, if you insist, then perhaps I should think you'd be better advised to question your school's actions and motives first, in addition to questioning the morals of sexual exploits of your compatriots?
Good luck with your university studies.
@veratum
I just wanted to express my opinion of this thread. Anyways its still only My opinion, I don't expect you to agree with me. And I spend my valuable time observing, that is my education, apart from film-studies. Therefore in a way, this is educational too.
Any point can be argued upon, by any-number of people, for how-ever-long. But I'm not here to do that. So good luck to you too, with your propaganda.
And on another note: Morals are a slippery field, and in your conception they might be very different, from ours (certainly mine), due to several factors, i.e. generation gap, et cetera. But in my point of view, I can assure you, They differ greatly.
Since, according to you, I'm immature, What I say might not matter to you, but I've expressed my opinion all the same.
-Aravindan
ex student here...
I won't pretend that my years in CIRS were terrible, but it is true that the school has issues that need resolving. However, I must say that the way in which Alumni have replied to this blog is shocking. Anyone has the right to share their experiences. If you people really care for the school than set a better example.
Hari Om
there are so many mixed reviews....some say that the school has changed whilst some still think of it in a bad way.....whoever has blogged this topic, r u sure tht the school has not improved at all?
@Anonymous Dec 14th....
Two words in Latin to answer your question: caveat emptor.
I do not see it as my job to make sure if the school has improved or not...this blog is a summation of our experience with CIRS TO DATE...and...experiences do not die, they live on.
I have no doubt that when CIRS decides to make amends to our experience with their attempted extraction of bribe to balance the account in THEIR favour, I will have a completely different experience to write about...
In the meantime, perchance, you may dare to invite yourself to ask CIRS directly how they intend to wield their beguiling financial acumen with you...and then perhaps report back here on your findings if things have improved at all or not?
Are you retarded? You can't ask rhetorical questions on polls.
Hmmm...retarded...
Yes - I suppose I am about as retarded as any entity (or anyone) that cannot discharge their required duties without the expectation of a bribe...
Whoever is reading crap that this...
women wrote, it happened years a go and the school has greatly improved!!
They renovated most of the dorms the 9th and 10th graders have a splendid time, I am surrounded with loving friends, the teachers are strict but they care for us a lot and I am an NRI... I know how it feels to miss your parents and I used to cry a lot when I first came. And lady if someone started spreading rumours and said rude and untrue things about you, your family or whatever you care about won't you feel like swearing at them and I can bet you your precious daughter swears behind your back (every kid does)... Take the example of a kid when he starts off he makes mistakes then he gets corrected when he grows up, he learns from them and corrects himself... CIRS is the same thing except that it has a whole bunch of children! If all these lines mean nothing to you and my efforts were fruitless... Well then I will be sorry to say you don't have a heart...
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I THINK JUST OPE THE BURSAR AND PRINIPALS ROOMS IN MIDLE OF NITE AND SHOOTV THEM ALL - in cold blodd -- When the chicken is killed , no more eggs will hatch --ha ha h a!!!
Best WY TO SOLVE ALL THIS PROBLEM !
CIRS SUCKS BIG TIME !
Mr. Patel, No updates on this blog?? two years in a row? must be a record of sorts..
I studied here for an year(at 6th grade at 2011-12).I found the students and teachers very annoying and they always do anything that puts me into trouble.My recommendation,don't join this school and if you do,your kids would get into these idiotic practices.
Hi,
Any updates on the current status of the school?
We came across this school and received very good reviews from friends. But this is the only place we saw bad reviews.
Any updates will be greatly appreciated as we are looking to get our son admitted next year.
There are many schools out there which take more money and are fraud, you should be aware of that.
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